World Domination 101
Advice and support for those applying for internships, trying to figure out what to do with their lives, and generally groping to find their way.
Date: February 4, 2013
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Advice and support for those applying for internships, trying to figure out what to do with their lives, and generally groping to find their way.
Date: February 4, 2013
So I WAS working on copying out all the questions I need to answer to apply for internships into a word document (since the internet goes out at my apartment a lot, and is pretty much unusuable for more than 2-minute spurts after 9pm), but then I tried to copy my unoffocial transcript into a word document and it’s been thinking about whether or not it can handle that for the last five minutes now. Oops. Guess I’m going to have to force-quid word… at least I saved the document with all the other info right before I tried that x_x
My most recent woe: LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION. I think it’s probably just due to random chance, but I’ve taken a lot of classes in my majors with visiting professors. And those are some of the classes it would have been nice to have a letter from >.< Alas, I can't really contact the professors anymore, and it'd feel a bit weird if I did anyway I think. Specifically, my Evolution of the Earth class related most to paleontology, which is the subject of two REU's I'd really like… oh well.
I have one geology professor/advisor who said he'd do a letter, and I asked my bio advisor and he will hopefully also say yes. I have to find a third for another internship I just found, though–it's not clear if it needs to be someone from my school or not (One page says "letters of recommendation from three faculty who know you" and the application itself says "three people whom you have asked to submit confidential letters of recommendation on your behalf. At least one letters must be from a college/university faculty member who is familiar with your science background." So maybe I could get away with one of those being work experience or somesuch, but idk. There's not really any other professor I feel like knows me that well? At the start of sophomore year I had a geo prof I liked/knew kinda, but I haven't talked to her since the class ended really, and she hasn't seen any of my work since. There was also a visiting professor last semester who I had for a class and a lab who I feel like liked me, but idk. He's still teaching at my college at least (even though I'm abroad) so maybe it wouldn't be too weird to ask him. SIGH. There's also my old tech director from high school, who I worked for and who knew/knows me well and we keep in contact, but that's not academic at all and I feel like I should maybe play to that side of things.
Well, word isn't able to handle my second tiny section of cut/pasted transcript either, so that may be a battle for tomorrow. I think this café place is maybe going to close soon, so it's back to the apartment for dinner and maaaaaybe internet. If not, at least I can finish the application questions and paste them in.
One of my recommenders was my chemistry TA last quarter–fortunately he noticed that I really liked doing labs.
And the other, well, I didn’t really get to know any of my professors from last year, so I went with the class I got the highest grade in last quarter (a B+… ) and he had a form letter! So that’s good.
I have a pdf of a handbook for writing cover letters I could send to you if you’re interested. It’s focused on musicians but should be more broadly applicable. Let me know.
Haha, thanks Robert. I suppose it’d be worth a shot, if I could track down whatever email they have now. And I might try the one I had last semester… he was most recent, sadly the one with the relevant class I’m not sure would remember me/any of my work or be able to talk about me. Alas. I should really start interacting more with professors for this purpose…
I also now have a kind of list of “relevant skills.” Alas, my spanish skills were never much more than conversational and have dropped even more, so I can’t really put that. I have now technically operated a Scanning Electron Microscope, though only twice (once more and I would have been certified to use it on my own, but, alas, it broke. So it goes.).
Also, my other bio professor just emailed and said he’d be a reference. Hurrah! So the goal is by tomorrow night or wednesday, I will have submitted the first application. Thursday at the latest, even though it’s not due till the 11th, because I’ll be gone all weekend.
And maaaybe the other internship I just found today, that one’s due the 8th though, and I’m worried it’s not enough time for my references D: Especially since I’d need the third for that. Sigh. Well I’ll send the email tomorrow and see where it leads I guess.
I really am so bad at this sort of thing. I try to sty organized and on top of stuff, but I always fall behind/miss deadlines : /
anyway the internet miiiight still be working, my usual 5 minutes of it are up though, so this may never see the light of your screens (or I might leave it and post it tomorrow morning if this fails)
With regards to the interacting with professors what exactly is one supposed to say? I mean, I never really have questions about the material or anything and I always just really feel awkward and like I don’t have anything to say.
I LOVE YOU, GRUMPY <3
I tend to have this mindset too. (As a Brit do I have an excuse?)
But I always have this insecure fear that professors, and the like, would look down on a (not-even-university) student’s pathetic attempts to pretend to some laughable intelligence. (‘How dare you waste my very valuable time with such silly queries, I am a Very Important Professor etc, etc.)
My dad and my theory as to why I do this and assume the worst – because my mother, with whom I have lived for sixteen years, has a tendency to be vocal in her criticisms (of other people too). I must have developed some subconscious belief that everyone is constantly judging.
ROBERT this very excellent post inspired me to get my butt moving on some things today, i think i’m gonna bookmark it/this thread for further inspiration oh man
Thanks Robert. Sage advice, as always, and I’m going to try to take it to heart >.<
I think a lot of my problems with this may have root in the fact that I hate receiving compliments, and these sorts of applications to me feel like complimenting yourself over and over x_x
In good news, I realized another person I could ask for a letter of recommendation, who I am still in contact with. He was my lab professor in intro chem for both semesters of my freshman year, but he’s also been my hockey coach since fall of freshman year so knows me pretty well and can make speak for me from a non-academic standpoint too and stuff. Especially since I had a sorta “leadership position” in hockey this year (transportation manager) and to my knowledge we didn’t ever actually have any transportation issues, so it went pretty well I guess! Emailed him earlier asking, and hopefully he’ll respond tomorrow.
Assignment for tonight: 1-2 page essay for the app due the 11th (that I want to have in by tomorrow evening or thursday morning at the latest since I will be gone until the 10th)
a) why you are interested in geological research
b) which of the REU projects interests you the most and why
c) what you hope to do for a career
Not sure how candid vs. professional it’s typical to be in these things. I figure it can’t hurt to start off with a short anecdote about how I shouldn’t have been surprised I anted to major in geology once I got to college considering the vast amounts of rocks I would bring home in my pockets form the playground as a child? And then the rest can be more professional-y
i feel you on the weird embarrassment of writing these applications and something i’ve actually realized recently as well is that i have some kind of phobia of embarrassment beyond just like ??? the extent to which anyone doesn’t WANT to be embarrassed. i’m trying to work on it and i think it’s helping, but you never realize how limiting it is until you step back ugh
this is the problem with letters of rec for me as well (i remember being TERRIFIED when i had to do that for college applications) and i find myself avoiding programs that require them which is ridiculous of course but once again, ugh! anyway the point of this reply was I KNOW WHAT YOU MEANNNNNN. it seems like a little thing on the outside but holy internal turmoil, batman
spoke too soooooon
chem prof/hockey coach is too swamped with work these next few weeks to do a letter : / Sooo back to maybe the visiting prof from last semester? Sigh.
Also: I use the word “interesting” too much in this essay. But it’s so true! I DO find so many things interesting/intriguing!
But it is maybe almost done? Just need to edit and then it will be okay I think. I think I should be ready to submit my ap by tomorrow if I can get a third reccomendation D:
okay gonna go draft that email now. Goal: send it out before I go to bed which oops actually that should happen in like 20 min. Well. We’ll see. I also have tomorrow morning to perfect the wording since probably I wouldn’t get a response tonight anyway and everyone back in the ‘states will probably still be asleep when I get up >.<
will go over essay tomorrow
and hopefully be ready by the evening
for now: time to collapse from the attempt to be a real person for so long
Or captivating or absorbing or stimulating or compelling or engrossing or enthralling or exciting or enrapturing or enamoring or delightful or anything else you can find with a thesaurus?
what a great thread! a problem i’ve been running into that i think lines up with “perfectionists who get nothing done” thing we all have going is that i expect the programs i’m looking at to fulfill EVERY single point of what i want (length/location/focus/skill level) and i realized….why not do more than one thing? there are a lot of interesting writing workshops and classes i’d like to take and my summer is pretty much wide open (wow my LIFE is wide open for that matter) and there’s no reason i can’t just do…more than one thing?
this probably sounds incredibly obvious but wow yeah.
anyway, i think this is a wonderful idea for a thread because it’s very easy to get tangled up in your own thoughts as they get more and more distorted.
we can help each other! we can do it! YOU ALL DESERVE THE BEST AND IF I CAN I’M GONNA HELP YOU GET THERE, BY YELLING IF NOTHING ELSE
In my opinion yelling is an underrated form of encouragement!! I’ve actually persuaded several people to do things for their own good through capslock and the internet!
But yes! More than one thing. That is totally doable. What sort of things are you thinking about?
I thiiiink my essay is pretty done? It has all three things they wanted, and I think I conveyed that I’m actually interested in OSL dating which is… probably not a thing all that many people are specifically interested in I hope… and I managed to slip in that I got to operate/analyze data from both an EMS and an XRD (well, I got to watch our teacher operate the XRD, but I ground up the grains into powder so it counts) so WE WILL SEE.
Now just gotta wait for other prof to respond. Thankfully I have many things to keep myself occupied today. It’s only like 8 or 9am there so maybe in a few hours he’ll get back to me.
If not, I can always ask old tech director or somthin
This thread is great and Robert, you are great!
I’d like advice for my specific situation, if that’s okay?
Last fall, halfway through the semester, I decided to take a semester off school and transferred mid-year from a fairly expensive and well-known private university to a state school that isn’t particularly famous for being good for my major. I don’t yet know anyone at the new school well enough to get letters of rec, although I’m doing my best to go to office hours and make connections to the professors. I have one math professor from the old school who I really like, whom I still occasionally keep in contact with, who would definitely be willing to write a letter for me — but since I’ve asked him to write a letter for me for my transfer application last October I feel weird asking for another so soon. All the other professors I knew well were in my major, and I didn’t leave U of R on the best terms with the department my major was in — in an emergency I could email them, but I’m not willing to put myself through that.
I’m not sure I want to go to grad school, but I would really like to work at a large and well-recognized tech company in the future (e.g. Google, IBM), and to me that means I need to do something other than sit around all summer. The problem is, most applications require letters of recommendation. Most applications also require that you submitted them last fall, and I’ve already been rejected from two (Google, Meetup), in one case explicitly and in one implicitly because I wasn’t in school when I was applying for them.
I’m still toying with an IBM application for a summer internship, but even with the nepotism benefits from my father/the friends of his that I’ve met and volunteered with, I’m not sure they’re still taking applicants. REUs all require letters of rec/that I be a junior/that I travel hours and hours away. I’m considering taking summer classes, but there aren’t any offered in my major or minor, and I fear that if I take too many gen eds now, I’ll have to graduate early and be forced into the real world before I’m ready.
So I’m really not sure what I should be doing this summer, and how I should be working towards that now, and I would really be comforted to hear something from someone in the real world who isn’t a parent.
Now that you mention it, I know next to nothing about business management and/or economics. It looks like summer session courses all require prerequisites I don’t have yet, but if I take a gen ed course or two over the summer, I’ll have plenty of room in future semesters.
EDIT: Looking at the business management courses, there’s one titled “Electronic Commerce” described as follows: “Study of the Internet’s impact on the conduct of business in various industries. Topics include e-business models and the key strategic marketing issues for conducting business online.”
Unfortunately, the prerequisites are: Macroeconomics, Marketing, and something called “Business Decision Support Systems”, which sounds boring from the title but actually seems to be about computer systems used in business. If I decide to go in this direction, my work is cut out for me. Not that it would kill me to know more economics, but the social sciences don’t come as naturally to me as logic and math.
- Have agreement from 3 recommenders
- Have completed essay
- Have all the other information I need although WORD STILL KEEPS QUITTING EVERY TIME I TRY TO FORMAT MY TRANSCRIPT UHG but it will be okay, even if I have to copy it out line by line x_x
Now composing email to reccomenders with all the relevant info. Then once the transcript is formatted, I can submit everything.
Also I have to be up for class at 8 and leave for Belfast not long after so MOTIVATION TO GET IT DONE QUICK LET’S GO
ESSAY: STILL DONE
ALMOST EVERY BOX ON THE APPLICATION: FILLED IN
just need the last address of my ref letter people and I am ready to click submit ubisjadkfnqw’aefsdwe;
Well, my extremely busy grad student referee finally had enough time today to send out six recommendation letters!
Now the only one left is from the math professor. He’s having trouble with a pdf.
Oh herp derp jobs. Does anyone have advice on finding internships/jobs in the first place? I’ve got to start looking & applying as soon as I get back from amazing scuba diving in Egypt and *squee*
….Returning from that derailed mental train, I already know about some local internships. But what I’d love is to find one in America. It would have to be within driving/train distance of the short list of my relatives I know well enough to stay with (i.e. in *part of* New York or New Jersey) and ideally, I’d actually earn something. I’m hoping that being well-rounded will help me (trilingual + basic Spanish, studying maths, familiar with all the typical office programs and Java programing). Anyhow, advice on finding internships? (Preferably Math or Banking related- I’m fine with making coffee and answering phones at some fancy company as long as they’re doing something interesting and I get paid).
OKAY I HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS ABOUT THAT MUSEUM
I VISITED IT OVER WINTER BREAK AND IT ALMOST LIVED UP TO MY IMPOSSIBLY HIGH EXPECTATIONS
MoMath (which is not to my knowledge affiliated with NYU although it is close geographically) seems to require bachelor’s degrees for actual paying jobs though, and volunteers can’t afford to live in NYC (the commute for me would be over 2 hours, alas)
(the IT job, though, if I were a few years older. I’m qualified in every way except having a bachelor’s degree… *sighs dramatically*)
to bookgirl — have you thought about applying for REUs? They give you some money and on-campus housing.
Note: if you DO want to do REU’s, get on those applications now, most deadlines are between Jan 31st and March 8th.
sorry that this has nothing to do with your plight, bookgirl
but I just realized that MoMath is only an hour’s (yes, only) commute from my grandparents’ house, where I can live for free, and subway rides there/back are around $5 per day (plus maybe $50 weekly for weekend trips home) as compared to $45 per day for train commuting from home
all of the job positions on their website are still for bachelor’s degree holders, but it can’t hurt for me to send an email asking if they take interns, and write up a brief essay on how much I love them and math.
An update on this: My parents, who do things like give me money so I can pay food and rent, would like me to follow through on some more paid internships before I apply for an unpaid position at MoMath. So I’ve applied for four paid internship positions at IBM and for a program late this month with potential future internship opportunities that’s run by some charities and the Chase bank. We’ll see if anything comes of it.
I apologise if this isn’t the right thread for work experience-related queries, but anyway: So I took part in a schools’ parliament-style debate today, the first one ever held by Parliament’s Education Service and organised by the local MP.
Apart from being seriously great fun (there’s nothing better than organised arguing!), it was a real insight into the difficulties of the world of politics and being an MP, especially in the context of recent debate over the EU and gay marriage. (During the Q&A session at the end, one girl was really attacking him over some hospital issue, though he had already addressed all her criticisms in a previous answer. I felt very sorry for him. Representing 70,000 people mustn’t be easy, especially when people are so set in their own stubborn views that they don’t really listen to what you have to say.)
Anyway, from talking to some of the organisers who work in Steve Baker’s office, doing work experience in the local constituency office itself doesn’t seem feasible for them. But: how does election canvassing for the party for May’s local elections (which I confess I didn’t know were being held) sound as a sort of ‘work experience’? What do you think?
I don’t necessarily know that I want to be a politician – the life of an MP seems incredibly stressful (as there will always be those vocal few who hate you) not to mention the little to no privacy living under scrutiny from the public. I am not sure I could handle that sort of responsibility let alone the abuse!
That said, however, if I am thinking of studying it at university (possibly joint honours) then some work experience would be useful. If I do decide to go ahead with the election work – which will undoubtedly be knocking on doors and handing out leaflets, nothing very intresting – hopefully I don’t encounter any die-hard Labour unionists or worse..
With a U! Hopefully not too much though; there’s little point in preaching to the choir.
I DID IT
two applications submitted. The one to the CA volcano programs I sent last night and the Field Museum ones just now. Neither is finalized because recommendation letters not due till friday, but my part is done for both of the ones due today/the 15th.
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now to work on the 4 due the 28th…
it’s not a bad thing to ask my two rec letter writers for so many letters right? I assume they can just do one and then tweak it a bit and it’d be fine for the others as well. Feeling a bit gulty-ish about asking for so many but trying to keep in mind that they are also my major advisors and this is kind of their job!
GO GO GO!!!!! DD
Working on more application things, kind of. Next batch of applications is due the 28th. But I’m finding it pretty hard to concentrate, I keep finding really cool lookin’ projects on line and my spastic list of interests keeps going “Maybe you want to handle raptors that’d be so cool! Maybe you need to look more into marine biology like you wanted to be when you were in high school! Maybe you should just be a forest ranger! Maybe you’d be okay at botany! What about CAVES you love caves maybe there’s things in caves you can do”
Like I do actually need to select the projects I want to apply for from these two specific REU places (One is through SURF, at Scripp’s university, and the other is located in a filed station in Puerto Rico). But it’s not a BAD thing to be looking up other stuff… but it is time consuming and just. THERE IS SO MUCH TO BE DONE. HOW CAN I DO IT ALL IN JUST ONE LIFETIME.
also whhhhhyyy do only some of these projects have descriptions sigh. I want to know what I might be getting myself into before adding it to my interest list… like, the subject matter could seem very cool, but if it’s mostly student-driven and you have to come up with your own research proposal etc I’m less interested than in one that has a more guided element, just because I’m less familiar with this kind of thing.
For the SURF program the options are:
• Investigating CaCO3 dissolution/dissolution rates in the context of ocean acidification (Prof. Andreas Andersson)
• Cycling of biologically active trace metals in marine systems (Prof. Katherine Barbeau)
• Characteristics of microbial communities in deep-ocean trenches (Prof. Douglas Bartlett)
• Molecular-level examination of the interactions between cyanobacteria and some protozoan predators; investigations of swimming motility in marine cyanobacteria (Dr. Bianca Brahamsha)
• Evolutionary genetics and molecular ecology of marine organisms (Prof. Ron Burton)
• Petrology and isotope geochemistry of the post-subduction magnesian andesites from Baja California, Mexico: Implications for the origin of continental crust (Prof. Paterno Castillo)
• Terrestrial volcanology and geochemistry (Prof.James Day)
• Biochemical characterization of light producing compounds (bioluminescence and fluorescence) (Dr. Dimitri Deheyn)
• Physical science of climate and climate change; the role of aerosols and meteorological clouds (Prof. Amato Evan)
• Paleomagnetic studies of sedimentary core records from continental margins (Prof. Jeff Gee)
• Marine Natural Products: Drug Discovery from Cyanobacteria (Prof. William Gerwick)
• Marine Microbiology, microbial diversity, drug discovery (Dr. Paul Jensen)
• California Cooperative Oceanic Fisheries Investigation: Characterization of the abundance and distribution of micronekton assemblages in the California Current (Dr. Tony Koslow)
• Tracing pollution in near shore marine systems and examining changes in near shore foodwebs (Prof. Carolyn Kurle)
• Ecology of coastal and deep sea benthic ecosystems, ecosystem responses to climate change (deoxygenation, acidification) (Prof. Lisa Levin)
• Physical Oceanography/Air-Sea Interactions (Prof. Ken Melville)
• Physical oceanography or climate modeling (Dr. Art Miller)
• Phytoplankton photosynthetic physiology and ecology; Applications of ocean optics and satellite remote sensing in coral reef ecology (Dr. B. Greg Mitchell)
• Geochemical analysis of marine sediment cores related to climate change and productivity (Prof. Richard Norris)
• Climate change impacts on the California Current Ecosystem, especially marine zooplankton (Prof. Mark Ohman)
• Whale acoustics; analyses of long-term Southern California fin whale songs recordings and fin whale song pattern description (Dr. Ana Sirovic)
• Characteristics of reef growth, coral settlement and community composition across the islands of the central Pacific; responses of marine organisms to ocean acidification/distribution and ecology of invasive seaweeds along the CA coast (Prof. Jennifer Smith)
• Aquatic Ecosystem Ecology: Intra-specific variation in thermal tolerance of zooplankton collected from the Yosemite lakes/Investigating the effect of sea-level rise on salt marsh communities (Prof. Jon Shurin)
• Applications of magnetic measurements on local igneous rocks to examine the record of the magnetic field during the Cretaceous (Prof. Lisa Tauxe)
• Climate Studies: Using observation and numerical model results to analyze the variability of air-sea exchanges of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the California Current Ecosystem. The goal of this research is to determine the impact of various physical and biological processes on the ocean carbon cycle. (Dr. Ariane Verdy)
Bolded are the ones I am maybe interested in and qualified for… of them, 3 had longer descriptions. Others, I don’t know if they would be in my area of interest or not (the volcanology one–is it more on the geology or chemistry side? that would determine whether or not I was super into it), or if I’d be qualified (the bioluminesce one looks cool but possible wants some level of microbio knowledge, which I lack). Since you can only list 3 project options, I’m hesitant to list some of them in case they end up being things I’m not as into or don’t have a good chance of getting because I lack required/suggested classes, when I have a a better chance of getting other ones because I know what they entail/if I’m qualified, even if the subject matter is maybe less interesting to me.
Then there’s the “is this project going to be a really popular/competitive one and is it more worth it to list a different one instead”, like the one about whale songs (which also did not have a longer description, but having no training in marine bio specifically I doubt that one makes sense for me to apply to, cool as it looks).
Whrrr. Debating if it’s worth it to email the project advisors? I might for the paleomagnetic one, it’s a neat concept from what I know of cores/paleomagnetism it but I don’t know what it would actually involve doing…
Earlier this month, on a whim, I applied to do a “Code for Good” challenge in New York City. It’s normally for groups, but I don’t know anyone here well enough yet to trust their coding ability, and there were reportedly limited spots for individuals to be placed into a group. My application was sent in Feb. 7, the deadline was moved to Feb. 12 due to the blizzard last weekend, and the event happens the 23-24th.
I have not heard back yet with either acceptance or rejection. The “Application Centre” where I can check my status is still “application received, you will hear back shortly”, and there’s no way to contact them asking when I’ll hear back (save for posting on their social media page which is a last resort).
If it were rejection, I could handle that! Sure, I would be upset, but there’s a convention the same weekend that I could go to, and the event /is/ in NYC, which does take a couple hours to get to. But not knowing is making me jumpy and stressed out and nervous. (which are synonyms, but still.)
well, I got a rejection letter… at 7:15pm three nights before the event would’ve taken place. As lucrative as it likely is to be interning at a bank, I don’t think I’ll be applying for any positions there anytime soon; I find the way they handled applications to be really unprofessional, and I think I can do better than a company that makes me wait until less than a week before events start to hear back, and leaves me no way to contact them. They’re an international company with plenty of funds and active recruitment, so they have no excuse for this behavior.
(The rejection still kind of stings, though.)
Yes, with a response as unprofessional as theirs you’re better off going somewhere else!
I’ve been fretting over an application I sent to an art center in Belgium, it’s a print shop where I could get residency for two months to pursue fine arts research! It’s located in the countryside and you get your own little A-frame cabin and bicycle and access to the print shop, and it’s all just so adorable. I applied with a project that’s quite esoteric, which could either work strongly in my favor, or against me… hopefully the people running the center understand the scope of the previous research I applied with. It’s mainly for artists and the research side of it is new? UGh I should find out soon.
That sounds so exciting! Good luck!!! ♥
ANOTHER APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND FINALIZED
that makes 3 REU’s I’ve applied for (for 3 projects in two of them, 2 projects in the other). I… will probably not have time to apply to any others unless I find any with deadlines in like, march. But there’s other internships after that I can look at still maybe.
But uhtrignefjkdsaml aeiug;j o I just want to know where I am going to be and what I am going to be doing this summer
Study abroad application is due March first and I do not have nearly enough accomplished. These past couple of days I have been insanely productive but i don’t know. It would be fine if there weren’t things that depended on other people to finish. I think that two days before a deadline is really too late to ask someone for a recommendation letter but I have to try anyways.
Why didn’t I get started on this earlier? Oh, right, you didn’t even start the application until mid February and then didn’t look at it at all last week because of exams and busyness and also really horrible planning skills I guess. Or I looked at it, but I only skimmed it and left some things late hat needed to be started earlier. And also I thought I had an extra day because I apparently thought it was a leap year. Or something. March is coming too soon!
Two days until the deadline. And I don’t even know who I would ask for a recommendation letter. And I’m a bit afraid to confess to my study abroad advisor that I’m so behind.
GAH! Yes… I have this problem. There’s this little voice niggling in the back of mind asking me what I’m going to do if I finish college and I don’t get accepted into a vet school. Grad school? A temporary job? And what if even after more veterinary experience I still don’t get in?
And even after I get out of vet school… what then? I’ll be up to my ears in debt already and will probably have to work under another veterinarian until I can actually start my own clinic. So by the time I’m actually settled I’ll be 30? 35? Alas.
This is a cool thread.
I’m slightly stressed about this summer simply because I have so many options! So I don’t know what I’m going to doing…. I’ve applied for a scholarship with the USDA, which if I get will be AWESOME and I’d be working for them who knows where. I’m also applying for an internship at the Museum of Natural Science of Raleigh, at which I’ll be working under a veterinarian to treat various taxa from reptiles to birds. And if not that… I’m applying to a ridiculous number of vet clinics to see if I get a bite, preferably around NCSU so I can also continue working in my swine lab. So yeah… I’m playing the waiting game, which is the worst part. Alas.
Slightly less than 8 hours until my first phone interview for IBM. I applied for four positions with them, and this interview is for the one I wanted most/felt most qualified for — coding for a Java application server.
I’m not sure whether to be more or less confident about the fact that, while it’s at the same site where my father works, he doesn’t know the people I’m interviewing with. He calls it networking when, for example, my professors tell me to say hi to my parents, but I think it’s a little more like nepotism… I’m going to go with it being a positive that I was chosen on the merits of my application and not on the similarity of my name to someone relatively high up in the ranks.
Wish me luck!
And to be honest: almost every advice that has been given to me about getting positions and experience has included encouragement to use whatever connections you have to get it. It may feel like nepotism, but that is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE even if it was true because it is hard to get positions for things in such competitive fields. It sounds like it’s not really a strong factor for you with this current position but even if it was, don’t feel bad about that sort of thing!
This is what I have been told. It’s a bit harder to internalize it, but I think this is one of the cases where hearing things from not-your-parents makes them more true.
I don’t think it went very well… we talked for about 8 minutes, and probably a third of that was him going through the list of things they have to tell every applicant, e.g. “we plan on fostering a community of interns”, “we work on coding [these specific things]“.
He didn’t ask any technical questions — in fact, the questions he asked were:
1) Tell me about yourself
2) What classes are you taking this semester?
3) Do you live on campus? (probably asked because my address on my resume is in the same town as the internship, but my school is not)
So unless I answered all his potential questions during my ramble-about-myself, my guess is that he knew coming in that he planned to choose someone else but felt obligated to conduct other interviews anyway. He did say that they were in the very end of the interview process, and that they’d be contacting the people they wanted to follow up with starting at the end of next week.
I really wanted this internship, but I guess I’ve done all I can, and there’s no undoing the past no matter how many witty and inventive things I could have said but didn’t during the interview.
Update about my study abroad application…The program isn’t actually run by my university. My university’s deadline for study abroad stuff was March first. The host institution’s deadline is April 1st. Also, it has rolling admissions, which means that spots may fill up before the deadline.
Ok. So how does this affect me and why am I making a post about it? Well, I had finished all my application materials by March 5th or so, which is pretty good. Nearly a month before the deadline. Except it took another week or so for my transcript to arrive, because my university doesn’t send official transcripts online. Still no problem. Except my recommendation letter, the last part of my application, still hadn’t arrived. Ok, I thought. It took them a while to get the transcript, maybe they haven’t gotten the letter yet. (Only the recommendation letter was emailed. Shouldn’t take that long, but I wasn’t sure what normal times were)
The Friday before spring break I asked my professor if he had sent the letter already. He sort of waved me off, but he said he did. SPOILER ALERT: He didn’t. He didn’t and I got an email from the admissions counselor telling me to get in my materials pronto (paraphrasing here) during spring break. Only I can’t do anything about it because, it’s, well, spring break. And so this Monday I email him, Tuesday he tells me he didn’t do it and apologizes, Wednesday I finally get the email telling me my application is complete. And I really, really hope I got it in on time.
He’s my academic advisor, but I don’t think I’m going to ask him for any recommendation letters ever again. I hope I get in.
World domination? Aw, just false advertising. :[
Well, my life plan is to throw stuff at a wall and hope something sticks.
Well-cooked spaghetti should stick, if you ever run out of ideas of stuff to through at the wall.
Aha. Haha. HAHAHAHA! Guess who got into her study abroad program? All my worries are now at ease, and boy was that a quick response. I have to keep looking at the acceptance email to see if it’s real and I’m grinning like a chimpanzee–ie aggressively and ready to take the world on! World domination here I come!
Do you know how long it will take for you to decide on an option?
I didn’t get into the Belgian residency. :/ They emailed me the rejection letter with an apology that explained the center is undergoing construction, so they couldn’t offer all spots as they had anticipated. I’ll definitely be applying for it again in the future, and if nothing else I practiced applying. meh.
In better news, I got an offer to give a lecture to a graduate class at Columbia! It’ll be a few hours on hacking Epson printers for fine art, specifically QTR for digital negatives… which is actually a small part of the residency I applied for. Maybe I should’ve kept my proposal simpler? Ah, well, next time. I think there’s a small honorarium for giving the lecture, which is cool.
Looking forward, I’ll be head coach running my local community sailing center’s racing program this summer, and I’m still waiting to hear from Purchase about my transfer application (there was a problem with my official high school transcript, but that’s sorted out now.)
All in all, things are pretty good.
I’m sorry you didn’t get into the residency but giving a lecture at Columbia is so cool!
also, good luck with Purchase! When I applied to my SUNY, I finished my general application November 7, had them receive my last transcript in mid-late November (their system says the 19th?), and received an acceptance about a week later (I don’t remember the date but it was right around Thanksgiving break, maybe the 24th.) The pre-enrollment deposit option appeared on their website a couple days before I got the letter, so I’d recommend checking their website. Then again, we’re applying to different schools at different times, we’re different people, etc.
So now that my semester abroad has been confirmed, I’ve set my sight on something closer. What I’m going to do this summer. I’ve been looking at internships and…I don’t know how to put the problem into words, exactly, if there even is a problem. I’m an Environmental Studies major, and a lot of the positions available are outdoors, and often involve lots of walking, if not outright physical labor. This is not the problem. I like being outside. I have no problem hiking or doing whatever during the summer…except during Ramadan, which, if you didn’t know, is also occurring this summer. Mostly because doing lots of hard work when you’re not eating or especially not drinking is a really, really bad idea. So I’m just not sure if I can or even should apply to these internships, even though Ramadan will only be taking up a month, and if we’re being totally honest here, I’m only going to be fasting for three weeks, and three weeks out of a three or four month position seems a lot more manageable…I just don’t know how to handle this. I definitely want to do something this summer, and ideally a lab job or something sedentary given what I just said, but I want to cast as wide a net as possible and do something and I haven’t found as many openings for sedentary jobs and I do like outdoors work and it’d only be three weeks I’d have to take it easy but how would I even bring it up? I don’t want to decrease my chances of being accepted, so I couldn’t tell them straight out, but afterwards…I don’t know. Bringing up religion into these things always makes me feel awkward. Really, really awkward. I don’t really want to be known as that one Muslim kid who requires special everythings. And I haven’t worked on any applications yet because I don’t know what to do but time is slipping away and if I don’t finish up something soon I might lose my chance entirely.
If I were you I’d apply to the outdoor jobs now and figure out how to deal with it when you get accepted. I don’t know when Ramadan is (I thought it was in the fall?), but if it’s towards the end of the summer you could also just ask to miss the last three weeks as if your school started earlier, since most places seem to be OK at dealing with schools starting at different times. Good luck!
I applied to the internship, and now I just have to wait for a reply. And Ramadan used to be in the fall, a few years ago. When I was a kid it was in the winter. The Islamic year is a strictly lunar calendar, so it moves up the solar calendar by about two weeks every year. Now it’s in July-August., smack dab in the middle of summer.
I think that if I get in, I’ll just ask if I can do paperwork, or greenhouse work, or something less physically intensive during the three weeks I’ll be fasting.
Some good news:
Thursday morning I got a series of emails in rapid succession from an IBM recruiter. They wanted me to fill out a form about how close to graduating I was (apparently internship pay is based on credits completed), submit another online application, and take an online aptitude test for job applicants. I spent about two hours doing so Thursday afternoon, so I’m back to waiting, but apparently my interview didn’t go as poorly as I suspected!
(The aptitude test was very difficult, a series of timed math problems, but I can’t imagine that someone else would do much better than I would — after all, I’ve been doing timed competitive math problems since middle school.)
okay so it’s been more than a week since I filled out those forms for the internship, and since they told me to fill them out within 7 days you’d think they’d respond fairly soon
and so I went to check the application status this morning
(even though there’s nothing you can do from that website except view application, check status, and search for other things to apply to)
my status changed to “Test completed” last week after I completed the tests/forms
but it doesn’t say that any more
it now says “Offer”
what does it mean????!!!!!! I thought I would have to do another interview before being accepted??????? doesn’t “offer” mean they’re offering you a position???????!!!!!!
every time I get an email my heart races, and then it’s something unrelated and unimportant.
got an official email with an offer for a position as summer programming intern!!!!! of course I am accepting.
the person I’m supposed to contact to accept sent an email in response to my acceptance saying that he’s out of the office this week. I’m going to send a short note to the “backup” contact person he listed, along the lines of “X sent me an autoreply message that he isn’t here; since I’m supposed to respond within five days, here is my response” above the “I would be happy to accept” message I already sent.
this is such a huge relief, though! After the string of rejections I got last fall (okay, three at most, but it felt pretty crushing), it’s so great to not only have an internship, but a paid one, that I don’t have to commute two hours to the city for, doing something interesting, at a company I might like to work for. It’s basically perfect.
FINDING HOUSING FOR THE SUMMER IS REALLY HARD
Jade — i feel this ugh. You should check nearby universities (if applicable) because apparantly some offer summer internship housing.
I’m trying to sift through a lot of different possible things and figure out what I want (for summer but also vague postgrad plans) and just hmm. I think Robert’s earlier comment somewhere about not stressing whether something is THE THING you want to do Forever is helpful.
like, thinking in terms of ok would this be a cool and enriching experience? would i probably have some fun and learn new things? should i be doing my readings instead of pondering the universe? just. Hmm.
This is interesting and helpful to read.Thanks!
((and don’t worry, I at least am semi-actvively on the get-to-Antarctica mission))
One of my closest college-friends took three years off after high school to travel the world (well, Europe, Africa and Korea). He didn’t know what he wanted to do with his life (or study) and decided to travel until he figured it out. Somehow, he managed to get by with odd jobs and volunteering and now has a scholarship here.
He’s easily one of the top three students in our class. In terms of work ethic, it’s hard to compete with someone who’s surrounded by the rosy glow of absolute conviction that they’re studying the best of all possible subjects, coupled with the humility that being allowed to attend to lecture is already an enormous privilege and that grades are merely a mildly annoying post-script to learning about the nature of the universe. He’s more mature as well and pretty much knows what he wants in life, which gives him a huge edge on the prevalent well-I-kinda-like-math-and-you’re-supposed-to-go-to-college attitude.
tl;dr Traveling can really pay off.
Given that a sizable percentage of musebloggers are female and/or gay, I’m not sure I’d recommend Iran for visiting.
I have a list of places I need to visit, and Iran is near the top of the list because of Persepolis (and because Persian is a very pretty language, but mostly Persepolis).
I agree, it’s a fascinating region, we spent half the semester on the Ancient Near East in my Archaeological Linguistics class last semester. So many different civilizations have risen and fallen there, and even though some of them spoke very different languages, many still used the same script to write their languages (even if they made up entirely new syllabic values for the symbols) because cuneiform had the look of authority and power and associated you with the great empires of the past.
So I’ve applied for something that is likely pretty out of my league for a couple different reasons, but I feel really proud of myself that I was able to do it. I think the hardest part about a lot of this stuff is the idea of doing it, not…doing it.There were some special circumstances I won’t go into but I got a resume and cover letter together and I just…feel happy that I could do that? Like I am really glad I have an actual resume and stuff now, and writing it out has made me realized I’m not as much of an unqualified worm as I thought (still not the recipient of many prestigious Awards or performer of Important Research, but it’s something) which is just so reassuring, idk. This post is maybe off topic because not a lot of world domination has happened but I feel a bit like I’ve staked out my own space as a person who could EVENTUALLY dominate the world, so.
And in any case I am definitely going to be Somewhere for the summer that is with distance of a lot of cool places and people and books and EVERYTHING so basically I am pretty content right now, I think.